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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13478

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Geno 1a since 2003,
Generic Harvoni purchased from Mumbai Ledifos
started treatment on 1st january 2016,
VL after 4 weeks of treatment - ONLY 508 :)
Hopefully UND within one week.
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13561

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Is there some reason Chinese people don't buy from Mesochem? I mean, it would avoid a lot of importation red tape and its the cheapest tx available...
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G 1a F-1
Started tx 10/23/15 (Meso sof & led) ALT 48 AST 28 v/l 1.6 mil
11/17/15 4 wk lab ALT 17 AST 16 <15
11/18/15 Started Harvoni
12/16/15 8 wk lab ALT: 15 AST: 13 V/l UND
1/14/16 Fin. Tx
7/07/16 UND SVR 24
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13563

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mgalbrai wrote:
Is there some reason Chinese people don't buy from Mesochem? I mean, it would avoid a lot of importation red tape and its the cheapest tx available...

Hi mgalbrai, even though mesochem is known for the good quality tested API's, seems people in China prefer more of the licensed generics.
Geno 1a since 2003,
Generic Harvoni purchased from Mumbai Ledifos
started treatment on 1st january 2016,
VL after 4 weeks of treatment - ONLY 508 :)
Hopefully UND within one week.
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13564

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Yes, that seems to be the opinion of a Chinese professor here at the university, a chemical engineer. We were discussing my recently aquired Mesochem APIs last October. He said the average Chinese person would not take Chinese medicines if foreign sources were available.
In a very polite manner, he basically told me I was crazy if I took those powders.
Quite a morale booster.
I went home and weighed out my first 4 week supply.
I guess I'm crazy....
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G 1a F-1
Started tx 10/23/15 (Meso sof & led) ALT 48 AST 28 v/l 1.6 mil
11/17/15 4 wk lab ALT 17 AST 16 <15
11/18/15 Started Harvoni
12/16/15 8 wk lab ALT: 15 AST: 13 V/l UND
1/14/16 Fin. Tx
7/07/16 UND SVR 24
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13565

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Lol. Anything as long as you were cured. I was also speaking to a Chinese friend of mine and he said that the average Chinese person would prefer trusting a foreign company over their own companies manufacturing these active ingredients there. Also there is a lot of issue of counterfeit drugs in China too. Have you been achieved SVR12?
Geno 1a since 2003,
Generic Harvoni purchased from Mumbai Ledifos
started treatment on 1st january 2016,
VL after 4 weeks of treatment - ONLY 508 :)
Hopefully UND within one week.
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13566

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G 1a F-1
Started tx 10/23/15 (Meso sof & led) ALT 48 AST 28 v/l 1.6 mil
11/17/15 4 wk lab ALT 17 AST 16 <15
11/18/15 Started Harvoni
12/16/15 8 wk lab ALT: 15 AST: 13 V/l UND
1/14/16 Fin. Tx
7/07/16 UND SVR 24
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13567

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Its not particularly unique that the Chinese prefer generics not made in China I was
reading a story in the NYT about electronic scripts that touched on generics in America regardless
of origin.

The scripts go to one pharmacy meaning if you have to buy what ever drugs they have available
for those without insurance or high co-pays its very annoying.
The number one complaint was having them having to buy generics every single poster was
convinced that the brand name ( What ever drug) was far superior too any generic with this
new practice with scripts they have to take what was on offer at the pharmacy.

I was amazed at how many people think generics have different ingredients then the brand name
they are convinced they're are not the same this view seems particularly bad with anyone using
pain medications though it branches out into all medications.
Sob/Dac from Oct 29 2015
Geno 1b
Fiberscan 9.9 Pre treatment
Fiberscan 7.4 week 10
VL 1.3 million pre treatment
Week 2.5 VL 96
Week 5.5 VL 17
Week 10 VL UD
SVR 3 UD
SVR 16 UD
Cured:
All liver functions in normal ranges.
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13568

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An advertising exec hired by Gilead would have a field day......not only for Chinese
generics but also,the guilt by association mentality for all other HCV generics.
contracted Gen 1a in the 70's, dx in 2007...ast 27 to 35...alt 43 to 96...vl 1.2 mil to 8.6 mil.
biopsy F-2 (2012)..pre tx results 1/23/16 ast 32, alt 46, vl 3.1 mil
tx started 2/11/16.... lab results 2/24/16 ast 18, alt 18, vl <15 IU/ml
28 days later.............lab results 3/9/16 ast 21, alt 21, vl UND
56 days later.............lab results 4/6/16 ast 20, alt 22, vl UND
139 days later...........lab results 6/29/16 ast 28, alt 30, vl UND...EOT
SVR24
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13569

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Me, I only ever buy Levi Jeans. I know I can buy other cheaper jeans of similar quality. But in my head I know that Levis are "better". Evidently, from an early age I have been brainwashed by cool marketing ads on TV. But it doesn't matter very much because I only lose about $40 each time I buy a new pair of jeans.

But with medication it is different. The same molecule is the same molecule, whether it was Made in China or Made in Ireland. And either way, I am not going to wear the label on my ass.

So I'll always buy the cheap one and put the savings towards my Levi Jeans fund...

... which is currently running at a surplus of about 1,000 pairs.
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Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable).
Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND
Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND
Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND
Ever grateful to Dr James.

Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer!

Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).
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Some useful info for Hep C patients in CHINA. 5 years 2 months ago #13754

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I read that Harvoni is made from API's that Gilead purchases from a company in Jordan. They run them through a tableting machine in Ireland, I guess so they can put "Made in Ireland" on the label.

My Brother, who is a very intelligent, highly paid professional told me flat out I was crazy taking generics based on Chinese API's. He told me to take money from my 401K and get Harvoni, since I qualified for grants. I told him I can save $21,000 with generics, and it's the same medicine. I would be crazy to buy Harvoni.

I am undetected and convinced no matter what the outcome I made the smart choice.

The stigma associated with China is misplaced. 20 years ago, China was sketchy. Today, China has state of the art capabilities and many companies manufacture there our outsource to them. They have the same pharmaceutical manufacturing technology as any other country.
Gt 1a, F0, VL 6.5 million, AST 59, ALT 62
Started Twinvir 1/15/16
6 wk. labs VL UND, AST 27, ALT 20
EOT labs VL UND, AST 23, ALT 19
SVR 16, VL UND, AST 28, ALT 17
SVR 24 , VL UND, 10/8/16
SVR 125, VL UND, 9/22/18
SVR 230, VL UND, 10/3/20
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